<<< I wouldn't have any idea of what it is your talking about really, I never heard anyone talk about this.
It seems to me that maybe it's just one individual that does this??
Besides what does it mean anyway to "attempt to divide the movement" in this case??


This is what we received in the chapters mailing list, after we asked them to stop sending us mails about rbose and after all teh chapters decided in the international chapters meeting that we will ignore this group in the future:

"From:
Calyptratus Zeitgeist <Calyptratus@thezeitgeistmovement.se>
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Date:Mon, Mar 22, 2010 8:13 pmTo:zm-chapters@googlegroups.com

Yes, indeed!

TZM is for information and propaganda only, do not get involved in any kind of real world solution stuff around here, or you will be globally banned from all and every TZM communication form!

P.S. Don't forget that any talk about money are stricitly forbidden as well, unless you intend to give some to PJ or VTV! (no transparency about how they are spent will be supplied, most will go to Tanktops paycheck)."


and one answer also to this letter to see how RBOSE act:


"Well its much better to do it the Swedish way:
- Force everybody in the chapter to join rbose
- Talk bad about the ones that dare to go against you
- Claim that everything is everybody elses fault

See if that works better..."

As unfortunate as it is, this seems the route to go. There are good people within the RBOSE group and i wont be the last to acknowledge that.

Having said that amongst other moderators i have been allmost a daily returning subject in the RBOSE irc, more often than not in a very negative light being slandered with homophobic comments ( being a heterosexual person this doesn't hurt as much) but its still homophobic and sickens me, having lies spread about me, calling me unnecesarry for the movement.

I do not need acknowledgement of any kind, but it is kind of hurtful spending an average of 8 hours on the movement per day ( if not more sometimes) trying very hard to get our movement to progress, aiding chapters, setting up chapters and then to be notified that some jerk off that feels bitter that the movement didnt go his way call me useless. At that point it gets annoying.

Then the wors part, infiltration in chapters. I was prepared to leave the RBOSE issue alone and forget about it, until individuals in the RBOSE group started to mess with the chapters. At first it was changing links in some chapter sites to link the IRC to the RBOSE instead of TZM server( this was a chapter site based on a wiki so anyone could edit it). Then it became worse, emailing chapters to get them to collaborate with RBOSE, infiltrating Zdays with RBOSE propaganda and then showing up to face to face meetings to cause problems and promote RBOSE.

This is not even everything that went down, but enough to say it has to stop in one way or another,

Either the RBOSE platform gets rid of the people who are sick and cannot be helped from behind a computer, or anyone in the chapters area who refuses to stop cooperation with this perverse group will be removed from any official or coordinating position, and if they are selfish enough to drag their whole chapter in, they will be reverted to non official. This policy was approved by the chapters at an international meeting, and is therefore made by our community.

If you don't decide to wake up to the ramifications of your actions, thats a pity.

Have a nice life nonetheless.

Gilbert

jesus H, more publicity for these people and that trailer-trash asshole...

Heres an idea, how about we just stop making posts like this and giving this person the twisted satisfaction he craves.
Albeit there are good people in RBOSE, i know that. but their angle seems to be aimed at the rejects and banned users from this forum, just making these posts begs to ask the question: is this going to help us or help people like Codie Vickers?

Azzy wrote:
jesus H, more publicity for these people and that trailer-trash asshole...

Heres an idea, how about we just stop making posts like this and giving this person the twisted satisfaction he craves.
Albeit there are good people in RBOSE, i know that. but their angle seems to be aimed at the rejects and banned users from this forum, just making these posts begs to ask the question: is this going to help us or help people like Codie Vickers?

Both hopefully.

Its another example of history repeating itself, that we can choose and try to learn from in a constructive way - or not. All movements with a pre-formulated agenda or philosophy eventually splits up in different subsections.
The trick is to have an organisation that allows such subsections to actually work together and cross breed.

jesus H, more publicity for these people and that trailer-trash asshole...

Heres an idea, how about we just stop making posts like this and giving this person the twisted satisfaction he craves.
Albeit there are good people in RBOSE, i know that. but their angle seems to be aimed at the rejects and banned users from this forum, just making these posts begs to ask the question: is this going to help us or help people like Codie Vickers?

I understand Azzy - and, as you know, I have held this disposition of downplaying and ignoring for a long while. You think I don't have better things to do?

However, after his emails to me and threats to Mods, I am now moving forward with the restraining order.

Likewise, I want the community to understand the issue, along with the RBOSE, and why the conflicts exist in general.

This is for the sake of transparency. I will lock this thread once it settles so we can move on.

I have worked too hard and care too much for this community and what needs to be done to allow such bullshit to come in the way of our work. As much as I hate to succumb to the legal system to do so, I see no other choice. This is the state of affairs we live in today.

Also, if Vickers is enjoying reading all this, I suspect his amusement will change once the Sheriff knocks on his door to issue the court order and reality shows its face.

In fact, I am locking this now. Everything that has needed to be said has been said.