John1313, sounds very Matrix-like, I'm somewhat skeptical, but I look forward to seeing your evidence.

Get your tin-foil hats on quick ! Before they make us forget what Johnny-boy said...

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Nobody is controlling our minds, at least not directly. Everyone's mind is controlled by the simple fact that no alternatives are presented, and when they are by a minority of people ( like us ), they seem so outlandish that it seems impossible. Just like flight with an object heavier than air 100 years ago. Been there, done that, nothing new.

Seriously now, can we get back on the subject ?

wavetrex wrote:
Get your tin-foil hats on quick ! Before they make us forget what Johnny-boy said...

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Nobody is controlling our minds, at least not directly. Everyone's mind is controlled by the simple fact that no alternatives are presented, and when they are by a minority of people ( like us ), they seem so outlandish that it seems impossible. Just like flight with an object heavier than air 100 years ago. Been there, done that, nothing new.

Seriously now, can we get back on the subject ?

Oh I didn't know we have an oracle in the forums haha
Maybe you can tell us what's going on in area 51?
It might not be probable, but who really knows what's possible.

No One Gets It!!!! Keeping right on the headlined topic!

How is showing you a video or something in writing going to "prove" that what I'm saying is true? It won't and can't be proven that way, just as I said in my post I didn't believe it either until I had devices in my hand and tested on myself. You can research countless articles all over the place that will tell you all kinds of things but that's no way to prove something of this magnitude to anybody. That's not possible. The only way that this can be proven as fact is to use the devices on you directly, that way you can experience it for yourself.

If proving something depends on a consensus of the majority then why even have the zeitgeist movement because the majority has already over ruled, do you not see the point? If the president came on the TV and told everybody that there were aliens, UFOs, electronic mind control there would automatically be a consciousness shift within society. Then it would be a majority consensus because somebody of influence told them. If this is the only kind of people that are gonna be in the zeitgeist future how do you expect to have better technology if everybody are simply the show-me type instead of the get-up-and-do-it type.

I'm the get-up-and-do-it type but my current problem is I don't have the resources or the devices on hand anymore to do it again, so that just tends to be a big roadblock now doesn't it. With no ID, no bank account, $100,000 or more in debt from defaulted student loans and many other creditors, warrants for old traffic tickets, a job that gives me four hours a week (yet I can't get another job in the field that I normally work in which is electronics because I don't have an ID, luckily I’m able to sign my check over to my friend who can cash it through his bank account, the bank even gives us problems on that sometimes), no car while living out in BFE, I could go on and on about what's holding me back and give you some stupid pity story of my life and how I ended up there because of the discoveries I made. I don't like to wish negative things upon people but I really hope that one of you really do get up off your ass and actually research and develop this technology and then realize it's true and then experience the wrath of the ones that don't want you to be doing that. Then you'll find all you're left with is your voice to try to tell people about it and you'll find that won't work at all because you'll be hearing “show me proof”.

However, one of the more basic devices that is on the market that can prove to you that the mind can in fact receive and process electronic signals but it's not widely advertised. This device sends signals through the skin directly to the brain enabling you to hear whatever audio signal you send into the device in your head, such as voice or music, enabling some deaf people to hear things in their head since their ears don't work. The device is called the “neurophone”. But of course as I said this is basic compared to the more advanced technologies that are not available to the public. Actually it probably does me no good to even mention the neurophone because if you just go read about it, that doesn't do it any justice unless you try it on yourself.

It's not like the ones that are in control are going to just come out and show you what they're doing and how they're doing it, that would defeat their whole operation. Are the banks just coming out on the news and in the open to tell everybody how their monetary pyramid scheme works? No they're not, and you shouldn't expect them to, that's the whole point.

Anyway, I kind of figured that I would get skeptic response because that's what I constantly get even talking about the basic stuff that zeitgeist promotes. Even many of the followers of zeitgeist are programmed, mind controlled and distracted from finding truth.

I have included several links to show you that electronics can interact with the brain, thoughts, emotions and so forth but I don't expect it convince anyone any differently because as I’ve said it's something that has to be experienced in order to grasp the reality of it. The links to the technologies that I'm posting may claim to be new science but I assure you that there are much more advanced wireless technologies have been around for a long time, where they have no need to put some implant microchip in you (although they would still prefer to put the chips inside to have better control, because the stronger minded consciously aware people are able to resist). The scientists that are working on these technologies shown in the links are just children learning science compared to the stuff that has already been developed and deployed.

The problem with people in this world is that they expect someone else to prove something to them when they should get off their own asses and prove it to themselves by researching and building hands-on projects to “scientifically” test.

But be aware that when you do discover these things they know that you're discovering them and they will attempt to shut you down real quick by controlling the people around you and your financial situation to quickly knock you down on your ass so that you can't do anything about it but simply try to tell people. And when you do try to tell people you'll get the exact responses that as you can see I am getting constantly. So I guess my question is, is it pointless for me to even try to tell people? Should I just give up and not give a shit about people? If we as humans get to that point (emotionless robots) it would be best for the whole world to just die, because when we stop caring for one another that's when our humanity is lost.

If people can't even think it possible that electronics can interact with the brain then I guess it would do me no good to mention how eternal life will soon be possible or most likely already is through cloning and consciousness transference. But of course that's a whole other subject that I probably shouldn't even have mentioned since the basic technology of computers interacting with the mind can't even be grasped.

Here are some links, but of course seeing all the negative close-minded responses I’m most likely wasting my time with “conspiracy theories”. Zeitgeist isn’t what I thought it was, if these are the kind of negative people I can look forward to living with then bring on the Apocalypse and kill us all. And I thought Christians were bad, I might just rethink that because many of them were very kind. This movement is never to go anywhere with people who are constantly negative. Anyway, here you go, if this isn't enough to give you an idea then do your own research and development.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_implant

www.braingate.com/

singularityhub.com/2010/09/08/80000-and-...the-rise-world-wide/

www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Calgary...e/3384058/story.html

www.zdnet.com/blog/emergingtech/exclusiv...iological-brain/1009

www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-08/n...-brain-minute-detail

science.dodlive.mil/2010/09/01/remote-co...ty-using-ultrasound/

www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/neurophone.htm

justgetthere.us/blog/archives/Satellite-...-INSANITY.-MUST-READ!.html

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7423184.stm

people.bethel.edu/~kisrob/hon301k/project/Final/mind_control.htm

www.clonaid.com/page.php?18

Our minds cannot be controlled, that's impossible. No computer or waves can control our minds, it's hard for us as humans to control our own minds (if you have noticed the mind is never STILL, it's always busy chattering about everything, like recognition, experiences, the past, the future etc. EXCEPT FOR "RIGHT NOW").
The only way we can ever see actuality (that is; the truth) is when we bring about a radical revolution within ourselves. And to achieve that we need to make our minds STILL. Not just "desire" it to be still, because when you desire to have something it is still in the future (time) and the future does not exist. So we need to let go of the past and stop trying to be something, because when you set goals for yourself, it only creates conflicts (because most of the time it doesn't turn out exactly the way you want it).

The truth is simple, but to get to it is very hard; you need a revolution within to get to that.

It is possible that such technology could exist. The brain is just a biological computer, like a machine. And thoughts are waves, that at least theoretically could be intercepted or perhaps distorted..like static on a radio for example. Notice I said theoretically possible. Meaning, in theory this could occur, but it is not necessarily so. At the same time, assuming that it is bullshit on zero grounds is essentially hypocritical.

Personally, I think that whenever you hear stuff like this it is really just another way of creating fear, or focusing on the problem. A lot of this type of stuff comes from people like David Icke and I have read two of his books because I am open minded and critical about such things. The problem with his views and others like it is that it pounds negativity into peoples' minds and therefore you get all of these NWO fearing people screaming in anger. Even when there is a solution presented it is often some vague idea of raising consciousness, rather than a real tangible technological solution. Of course raising consciousness is important. I totally agree with that, it is indeed essential. But 'orgone', crystals, and aliens from Andromeda are not the answer.

As for the state of the world, I certainly agree with Peter that no one really gets it. Every time I go to a Walmart and just look around it is as if I am being saturated by the stench of ignorance. I look around and everyone seems oblivious, just purchasing their goods, going along like everything is just perfectly fine and 'normal.' Trying to reach some people with the ideas from this movement, or even some broader philosophical way of thinking, is nearly impossible. One would have to break through years and years and layers and layers of rock hard conditioning. Someone mentioned hitting rock bottom. Well that was me; that was how I really woke up. Now its like I desire to help others see it and they refuse to, reacting with either apathy, strong ridicule, or fear. Why would anyone want to knowingly obliterate the false identity they have branded onto their psyches by this twisted monetary society? They would much rather point the finger and push all of their baseless doubts right back at us. I don't know how many times this has happened to me. 'The ZM is never going to work, it would take hundreds of years. I need to spend time with school, work, family, and vain entertainment.' It will take a serious wake up call to alert the masses. I guess if we were ignorant we would be praying. Ironic that even those who do pray, pray not for what is relevant.

John

I see where you're coming from. I've read the comments some zeitgeist members have posted as a reply to your posts. Don't let it get to you, because most of them (from what I've seen) are internet teens (I'm also just 22, but I don't like to judge people without a clue about what they are talking about).
It's hard for most people to actually listen; like truly listen without contempt or judgement. Most people don't realize that you can only understand something by listening, without judgment, pay your full attention to it, do whatever you can to find out what it means, not just rely on some authority to come and explain it or wait for some sort of proof to be shown. People don't know that finding something out for yourself is far more satisfying than to hear it from a third party.

I agree with the fact that if people truly are interested in what you're saying that they should do their own research. But it's still hard, for most people in ZM are "open-minded", and believe in the Venus project (proving that there are no limits to what man can do), but still they are skeptical about your theory.

Maybe instead of the word "control" (seems like a lot of ZM members are allergic to this word, so am I btw), you can use the word "manipulation". It's more plausible that are minds can be "manipulated" than "controlled" (since we can't even control it ourselves, let alone someone else).

Hi Peter,

I believe most people, on a subconscious level, do know something is wrong and something bad is coming but they put it in the back of their minds and submerge themselves in television, movies, drugs (legal and illegal) or whatever else they can think of to take their mind away from reality. I liken it to taking the blue pill in the Matrix; they would rather enjoy the fantasy of the possibility of an earlier time coming back than to face the reality of what may be coming.




"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." -- Thomas Paine

Sorry John but you'l need to explain in a more technical and detailed fashion to get me to believe what you're are saying.
Anyway i agree with peter and i have to say that fuck no one around me understand, well i haven't told any of them yet except my friend and he is limited by his own awareness and knowledge and he also does not want to watch the movies...
I would never tell my parents, not until they find out for themselves, its just so psychologically disturbing just thinking of how it would psychologically affect them.
I can't tell them now that they had a baby (Before i knew about TZM) and are religious and actually believe in a future as their past (jobs, education, politics... the crap that comes with our system).

I might be going to military college after next year, i say might because im hoping for something to happen to give me the excuse of not going there. But its in Canada and the education is really goo so i don't see any harm if i go there for computer and science engineer. Basically my 4 or something year contract i will serve as for what i will be working.

Damn how much no one gets it and how much i probably do not either fully!
Get wait for you're new film, some all in one film will then need to be made for the committed but not tech/web oriented newbies.

Oh and John i will add to you're theory that they also have nano-bots capable of stimulating individual neurons and they are everywhere! Im telling you its true, i have tested it myself and i have profound electronics and physics and chemistry knowledge. Comon now dont take me for a conspiracy theorist, i know its hard for you to accept the truth.... "To seek the truth you must already know the truth" ... bla bla bla, use the scientific method ok John? Its not close-mindedness its open-skepticism. I can be open but unfortunately i fall the conclusion you are wrong due to you're lack of evidence and technical credibility.

There seems to be a flaw with Johns theory of 'them' being able to control minds. If he was bothering 'them', then why wouldn't they simply control 'his' mind........much better than bothering to ruin him by controlling the minds of the people around him and still leaving him free to continue trying to spread 'the truth' about their ability to control minds.