Razio wrote:


Perhaps it would also be wise to contact some Comedians. We all know George Carlin's work, but he wasn't the only one who was ranting about our sick society. In my opinion there is one comedian who could help us a great deal, not only by spreading awareness, but he has the entire African-American community behind him. Dave Chapelle is the Oprah of Stand up Comedy. He's been talking about corruption a whole lot. And also he's a very intelligent person when it comes to understanding oneself and the society.

Please don't take just the scientific way, a lot of people are not ready to actually LISTEN (with full attention and interest) to science (it still seems boring to most). I think we can reach the "brainwashed" society by Comedy. people are tired of the cruelty on the news and the corruption.

I'm not saying the scientific theories are bad (with scientific I mean seriousness:P), I'm very fond of the scientific method, but the majority of people are not, they're all still stuck with shows like Jersey Shore, desperate housewives, stupid shows that don't have any value to human progress basically.

I have thought about this idea as well. People respond well with humor and laughter and it is always a positive motivator (laughter). I agree that a lot of people are very much stuck on these trivial and useless forms of entertainment. While I know I can take much interest in (for example) cybernetics and physics, a lot of folks see these as being boring. I will say, however, that it comes to the point that not everyone wants to be aware. There are many people that want to be ignorant and will fight to defend that ignorance, will fight to be a slave. There are some folks who will listen to nothing and who will see nothing. They only see what they wish to see. And we have to, unfortunately, accept that. At least until these people are ready. I have tried, you have tried, we have all tried. "There are some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. I don't like it anymore than you." That sums it up well I think

I know this does not sound encouraging--but I still think that society is so hopelessly brainwashed--people have trained themselves night and day their whole lives listening to lies and practicing being satisfied with less--we need to get the word out more as a warning than anything else. If people do not accept the message--nothing we can do about it. Everyone's ideas on how to do that here on these forums has merit. Whether through comedy or entertainment or scientific reasoning--depends on who you are talking to - their conditioning and background. What works to reach one person may not work for another person depending on their knowledge and their interests. Anyway we can is the best way and the media is the best hope for that. Major media will be our savior for millions of people to hear all at once. I hope Peter will not have many problems getting "Moving Forward" into theatres as he mentioned. I believe he mentioned getting it into a couple of theatres in New York and Los Angeles. We simply need to get the message out-period--as it is a seed planted. People will realize what the fuck is going on and stop making plans--when the world and thus their little worlds start to crumble all around them through increased job loss and home loss and finally--the elite and ruling classes power will start to lose its grip of power as the rate of oil extraction decreases and their destruction machine will begin to slow down greatly. Then people will go: "This does not work-nor was it a fair system to anyone-we have nothing to lose now--as we are desperate and will die if we do nothing--how about trying to harness the earth's resources directly--probably people will have to start with just plain getting along and not eating each other. (lulz!) I hope I am wrong and welcome anyone's input and I am waiting to hear from our fearless leader--(just joking-Peter!!)

This is basic structure what can be started with less than 1000 people. We can do 3 ziggurats in start.

1 for people.
1 for food production.
1 for energy production.

That's all what is needed to basic structure.

We can do extra ziggurat (4) what contains everything other, like labs to computer centers, to research areas, etc. So much things what same place can be used. These also are easy to set up because when going up, "pressure" to under levels will be decreasing.

We have chapters allready done so we could put them use giving them some plans like "this basic structure" and what they need. (Computers is needed is first thing, second thing is tools and third thing something. It goes like this what is needed)

When we get these things started globally, we can also help poor people and get more people really supporting around this RBE idea, because these what we start doing, we can actually connect them with "maglevs" or alternative transport systems in future and change "environment" very fast.

Think this picture what i posted here, think it close at your neighbour. You most likely first think "its new disney land" but you suprise when you go inside.

Well it would be awesome if Peter could try and get the movie to play in some theaters in Holland. They're sober people.
Don't just focus on U.S., because this concerns the entire world and I hate the fact that everything revolves around the U.S.
I know all the bad stuff is happening there the most, but still it reflects on the rest of the world too. So don't just focus on the U.S.
I read a news article about ZM-members talking to students at an Indian university and impressed them with the idea of RBE. So you see the rest of the world is more open to this than the conditioned mind of the (sorry to say it) dumb Americans.

Razio wrote:
Well it would be awesome if Peter could try and get the movie to play in some theaters in Holland. They're sober people.
Don't just focus on U.S., because this concerns the entire world and I hate the fact that everything revolves around the U.S.
I know all the bad stuff is happening there the most, but still it reflects on the rest of the world too. So don't just focus on the U.S.
I read a news article about ZM-members talking to students at an Indian university and impressed them with the idea of RBE. So you see the rest of the world is more open to this than the conditioned mind of the (sorry to say it) dumb Americans.

Yes!! this is encouraging--I do hope you are right--"don't want to be an American Idiot." I hate it also--that everything revolves around us--yes--he may have the contacts for that--if he could get it playing anywhere in the world--that would be utterly fantastic!!! Jacque and Roxanne have often spoke of people being more receptive around the world. A little more than here anyway. The bad stuff--is happening everywhere--as the economy crumbles--and the US just sits and blames other countries for it--some idiot pastor in Florida nearly escalated the war in Afghanistan by proposing to burn the Koran--I am embarrased to even be an American!

While it's a nice idea that everyone can understand the neccesity for RBE the reality is if we don't take a country and make it RBE then were all still hooped. I know this ain't the original plan but the plans got to be emergant and realistic however ugly that me be. We need to gather our human resources and consolidate ourselfs somware then set an example. Otherwise the global mass conditioning and elitist banks CEOs politicians and royalty are just going to fix this problem the old way and cull the heard weather by starvation global war or more direct methods. So during the next year let's see who and what we can gather and start looking for some realestate with globally recognized boarders.

peterjoseph wrote:
Talon...notice what he said right after

"that can only be overcome by total global collapse, if the debt/expansion game is adhered to."

Meaning if we continue to hold on to this game the only way it will end is in global collapse...

Thank you.

The game can be stopped at anytime. There is no technical need for collapse - only for the bio-social pressure to influence the public awakening.

It doesn't have to be this way. The public is still so clueless overall (and yes, I know we 'here' are understanding - but we are obviously overshadowed by an extreme majority.)

This isn't happening fast enough. My fear is the arrival of a tipping point that will make it even more difficult to overcome than the status quo/mind lock pathology we have now with the majority.

My personal realization is a complex one at this point as the research I am doing has shown some trends which I find beyond belief with regard to the decline of nearly all life support systems in the established order. More than that, the psychology of the masses isn't mature enough; hence informed enough; hence associated with the sustainable values enough - to reconcile any of the component attributes which are needed to comprise the logic that depicts the profound emergency at hand.

The fact is, The Movement will likely not be able to handle the full collapse that is coming after the fact - we have to stop it before it fully matures... and this brings things to an entirely different level of problem solving which I had not anticipated.

Ah, okay. Just pointing it out, you know how the trolls can get around here, quote snipping and all.
Thanks for the response.