International Meeting of June 23, 2010
approximately 75 participants
Coordinated by Darkdancer - Holland
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- Classifieds
 Warning: Spoiler!- New countries wishing to establish national branches: Mongolia, Sri Lanka and Malta. So once organized and prepared their website you can expect to see on the site overall!
- Cliff and Jenn of the American branch has experienced the introduction of ghosts pages so that people visiting the national site goes directly to the local site even if there is no coordination of state (in the case of USA).
- TeamSpeak is subject to maintenance. Servers could be out of service for some time. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Reports of national branches
Warning: Spoiler! - Denmark - by Stevenkeen
Warning: Spoiler! - The planned conference was held before about twenty people. The feedback was positive and clear message in response to reactions of the audience. Unfortunately no records or media were not reported.
- They always organized to receive the Venus Project Lecture Tour (LTVP). The sale of tickets is a bit slow but they trust their next street actions during July.
- England - TrulyFree
Warning: Spoiler! The Leeds conference Saturday, June 19 resulted in the distribution of DVDs and flyers. There were also positive returns. Jacques Fresco was interviewed in London. Events in Leeds: link Interview with Jacques: - Canada
Warning: Spoiler! The G20 will be in Toronto from June 25 to 27 A team was organized and the protesters will be informed. It will not take part in the protests but try to interact with organizations linked to the event. Actions will be taken which include freeHugs, distribution of DVDs etc. ... A guide to G20 Protesters: link - Argentina
Warning: Spoiler! - Their regional branches and organize their teams like the team of activists.
- The construction of an autonomous house is planned in a big city to attract the attention of visitors, residents. It would become an information center on the economy based on resources, intelligent management of them, etc. ...
- They have daily appointments on TeamSpeak where further meetings and information sharing are a key point.
- Italy - Frederico
Warning: Spoiler! Frederico has been working with a chemist and inventor, and together they create little stories about possible future of people living in the Venus project and describing their lives in order to better understand this project to others, to reassure people cope with change. Two stories are out now in Italy. They hope to go out and translate it into English. Two directors also seem to draw interest stories in a more distant future. Zeitgeist Italia: link History: link
- Coordinating Mechanism: Proposal
Warning: Spoiler! - Here is the speech Darshounet (Francophone coordinator) wrote for the occasion:
"Hello everyone This year I'm in the Zeitgeist Movement. I do appreciate the philosophy and personality. I could also enjoy your work and dedication. Unfortunately, I see a lot of distortion of understanding Information that transit within the movement. Of course, we have the language barrier is very penalizing, but more than that, the major problem remains the clear organization of each country. The international organization is therefore affected. In this case, whenever there is a concern, members will cry with people that seem the only responsible: their national coordinator, and Peter Gilbert. I will not mention any names but I think most of 'you see what I mean ... And this will perhaps seem strange to you but I find it normal. Why? Quite simply, what do you think members do when they do not see any progress, they do not know how not to get involved and do not see any organizations? Well, they turn to the only people they heard about most. We're doing what we did not. That is to say, a movement in which Peter is the guru, the coordinators insiders and members of followers. Peter has neither the guts nor the heart to tell you. He tries to reassure you by saying some nice words, but today if you still have not gotten the message, the movement is all of us! Peter and everyone else will eventually leave under the weight of the pressure imposed. Do not wait for everything to come to him. Certainly, it appears as an initiator of the movement and know to manage a team. I mean it, and there, many people say, then complain that we must be more organized, blah blah blah ... but goddamn it, do it! is easy to take pen to affix his ideas and request a time to speak during the meeting by giving advance notice! So the French side, we are looking for several months on the development of a standardized level of coordination. First, we do not separate the movement into nations but by language. Why, because it eases the job of coordination, conceptual tools and communication. So the work is better distributed and more is not done each in turn. For the standard name, we called this coordination: inter-language coordinator. So, for example, the coordinator of inter-language of Spain is the Spanish coordinator oversees the coordinators of Spanish speaking countries. For the rest of the news, I'll let you see the tree of coordination presented in a different standard: link , link and the tree of coordination with the French example: link ; With this, we have, of course, defined the role of a coordinator in its generality: xxxx; And finally, each role on a case by case basis. So of course we can talk about these standards and continue in this perpetuation of immobility, but the goal is to put this (or a similar standardization) in place very quickly and this goes for all countries. For everyone to know what to do, where to take the place that suits him and whom to contact. For information are more disparate but simply visible and well organized. For us to achieve local, national or international with a strong synchronization. We're not here for movement or for us or for people not awake, but for these three reasons at once.'s keep spreading the message and show the fact that Man is not a weapon of mass destruction but a weapon of mass creation. Friends, thank you for listening. Darshounet - French coordinator - Silvio - Brazil supported the idea because it avoids double or triple work regarding the creation of promotional materials, circulation of ideas and projects, translations. Portuguese is shared between Portugal and Brazil and these two countries organize themselves already set on merging their language teams.
- Darkdancer responds that it might work if the coordination is only online but at this stage to carry out local actions they need someone who's actually in the country and its role corresponds to maximum rank that we have at the national level, that is to say national coordinator. If we have a language coordinator who manages the chapters that would be too disruptive to access the target country. The current tree is composed of continental coordinators -> National -> Regional -> local (cities / universities). It is a system clearer and simpler. Furthermore we will not know if a cross-language coordinator will be sufficiently trained to maintain the same level of information across all countries in the same language. He did not see the need and the arguments in the speech is purely linguistic. He agrees that it needs improvement.
- Gman - International language coordinator recalls that one of the long-term goals is to get rid of physical barriers that separate people for a world wide open, get rid of the concept of national borders, nations and integrating an international language for a complete understanding. It would be very much our communication system move toward a direct system without boundaries, however at this stage, it seems really sensible to organize various events by location and it really related languages. He really wants to communicate with people of any language regardless of their location and without destroying what we have already managed to put in place to coordinate events. He believes there is a way to communicate by language and establish local events through international projects. He invites people to come together and reflect on this theme. He finally adds that Spanish is widely spoken and they have already begun to organize in this manner parallel to the organization by country.
- In conclusion Darr - Spain gives his views on the overall functioning of the movement. He says he sees three types of coordination: coordination geographic team coordination and project coordination as a project manager. Coordinating the first and third point relates to the longer running time by country and second in operation by language.
- Suggestions - for silvio (Brazil)
Warning: Spoiler! Silvio has a few suggestions after the obsersation Movement. - Nonprofit organizations (NPOs)
Warning: Spoiler! - Silvio finds that each national branch eventually like to create an association / non-profit organization. According to him, NPOs follow a simple rule: to have an audience. Without evidence of a wide audience to listen to proposed projects, no company would. Its purpose is influenced by the current Brazilian legislation. According to Silvio, NPOs must serve markets, projects must be of benefit to corporate donors who claim the advertising and diligence on the organization as an insurance. Interested individuals may spend long hours completing paperwork, climb the organization, be fair, may be defined following further actions, to be banned. NPOs are open to corruption if the mischievous spirits came up with fake projects, use the mailing lists to solicit donations. He says he should rather propose its investment in the other group through conferences for example. In this way we would benefit from their events to spread our message, but never on behalf of the movement or the Venus Project. We do not want to idolize and look like agents but applying the concept. We federations and easier third-party organizations, people, open doors and move forward into an RBA.
- Darkdancer continues on the fact that the development of NPOs national branches is discussed on a case by case basis. It really depends on the legal context in which the country finds itself. It remains to agree to remain wary.
- Denmark has just concluded the establishment of an NPO. The Movement is not mentioned at all or linked in any way. In context this type of organization serves to support a cause, by the promotion and application of scientific method for social purposes, while raising money. A simple example project is the 2000 printing flyers. The accounts are made available, anyone can contribute (give money) to the project. A system was set up not to accept more money than the amount requested by the cost of making flyers. The link to this site is not revealed in the pages of the official movement but diffuses through the forum. NPO Denmark: link
- Darkdancer adds that one of the primary interests to start a NPO is not in the desire to raise money but to take advantage of preferential prices for other organizations to seek government grants or European. Another way to raise funds is to use widgets "Cheap in" (?) That are highly transparent with a web page describing the issues in parallel projects receiving grants.
- Silvio addresses a second issue concerning NPOs available here: link
- TeamSpeak
Warning: Spoiler! After a discussion with the moderator of the channel Earthling on TeamSpeak, Silvio said that this software is not used in the best manner and we do not use its full potential as it should be. The members of the movement are many is we should be at the capacity limit of the server only the server looks like the Movement of both a deserted city. The importance of this tool should be communicated to all members of the movement. Another point is that many unproductive discussions take place. He notes that there is no problem chatting from time to time but not 4 hours 7 / 7. We're here to help the world in this transition by spreading and sharing information. We must think about how to use this incredible tool better. Darkdancer adds that he will make a newsletter to 400,000 members on TeamSpeak server after the change. - Update Movement
Warning: Spoiler! An urgent need for members of the movement lies in the definition of the latter. According to Silvio, we stand at a key moment for the internal organization is about to be upset. There are more and more new members who do not know who to ask or where to begin. It seems incorrect to label these people as trouble maker because of their ignorance of the current situation. Silvio then proposed an overhaul of the international site: Redo the FAQ and knowledge base audio version. Unfortunately, a majority prefer to listen to read. Clarifying the definition of the Movement. For example, say it is the activist arm of the Venus Project is not enough. We need statements that highlight the educational side and awareness of the movement that we put forward as teachers and not the rebels who work strategically and not by force, mentioning the desire to change the current values and not developing institute invisible. These clarifications should be made to remove any doubt of newcomers. It may take the form of a simple page to which new entrants would be immediately redirected. The coordinators will be relieved many ailments, increased accessibility, communication forums in the best quality. Rapid changes are needed in order to welcome new members as calmly as possible. The movement is experiencing more conflict than of synergy. No social movement can not advance without understanding, friendship, synergy and most important of all, clear purpose and attention. Darkdancer says he is totally in agreement and he wants to work with Silvio.
- Regional Branches ghosts - by Cliff (Canada)
Warning: Spoiler! - The idea is to make portals to regional branches still unofficial, where no one has yet declared. These pages are intended to welcome people interested in being located in this region / city (eg the site of the state of Mississippi , of Alaska , without a coordinator). In wanting to access the site overall, the person would be redirected to the regional site, coordinated or not, where all the information necessary to the development of concepts of motion would be made available. Cities without coordinators are also listed and suggested it would then start a new branch.
- The first rule is that anyone at a local level can benefit the information Zeitgeist Movement. This gives the impression that the movement is alive and very accessible locally.
- The second idea is to inspire people through an active approach by offering them immediately to start a new branch if there is already established.
- This would also bring together more easily people in the same region.
- Instead of waiting for the approval of the domestic industry, it would be more reason to anticipate the creation of regional branches / local.
Cliff also offers to those wishing to change the site in a day (change template joomla). Contact: cliff@zeitgeistcanada.com - Free suggestions
Warning: Spoiler! An idea to perhaps reduce the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico would be to use biosativa. The author of this proposal said it could dissolve the oil without adverse effects but had no confirmation on this chemical reaction. We will know more at the next meeting because if it works, the movement could implement a rescue project. Stay tuned ... Biosativa: link
Links shared during this meeting handpicked:
DVT / TZM Remix: link
Boatanic: link
Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth: Link
More than 100 years to life for humans: link
Four Year. GO.: link
What Is The Zeitgeist Movement: link
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Next meeting Wednesday, June 23, 2010 at midnight
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