We will soon see if the test has any effect on the increase of membership. I believe that local chapter sites are where the new members should be directed anyway and they should not have to pass a test there.

Thunder wrote:
I don't think anyone can be that sure about the distant future.Again, no one here has ever or will ever make that claim.
Hmmm...then why does everyone seem to think a societal collapse is inevitable and that an RBE will work smoothly despite it being so radically different from anything humanity has ever tried at that scale?

The test is very separatist. Not by design or intention, but it will very well be viewed that way. Whoever initiated such a prerequisite only created a problem where there wasn't one. Not negating the issue of unwanted moronic trolls and the attempt to sift them out. There has to be a better way to address this problem. However, it's not my forum neither yours and as the initiators and moderators of the forum denoted, it's not supposed to act as a model of an RBE. (Yes I know practice, what you preach). But for them it has just boiled down to a "you're not dealing with the issues we have to put up with" so "take it or leave it" situation. I don't agree with the attitude, but the test will show those who are really genuinely interested in the movement I guess. "If you really want to be a part of us and the movement you will watch Peter's videos, lectures etc and learn thoroughly what we're about." Yes questions of egocentrism come to mind, but I do not think that were Peter's or the developers of the forum's intentions.

Chill out People. Just sit back and observe.

domokato wrote:
Hmmm...then why does everyone seem to think a societal collapse is inevitable and that an RBE will work smoothly despite it being so radically different from anything humanity has ever tried at that scale?

Please name a time in history were humanity dumped the economic system? Economic law has destroyed countless cultures; by brute force alone it has dictated nearly all violent behavioral changes in societal structures. It prevents indigenous people from sharing and helping each other in a fluent way and creates survival based divides between what would be well communicated allies.

Individualizing survival goals is the most destructive way to lead human interaction. Even worse is the forcing of survival goals to compete.

Vixi wrote:
We are completely ignoring the importance of the human contact factor here

What I feel could be introduced is introductory helpers who would be designated for contact(Private messaged) if the test is not passed. Such that the test could be bypassed if it is necessary for certain individuals who are very interested but in a more interactive approach (Even if it is just to passively feel comfortable to be able to post, while learning).
Also I feel a beginners set of introductory posts would help ease the divide between the posters and non-posters. A collection of threads that recognize with the individuals who cannot post so even in at a basic level they feel welcome here or more so. While obviously introducing basic of discussion, serve as a link hub for further information, list 'private message helpers', etc.

Earthgaia wrote:
domokato wrote:
Hmmm...then why does everyone seem to think a societal collapse is inevitable and that an RBE will work smoothly despite it being so radically different from anything humanity has ever tried at that scale?

Please name a time in history were humanity dumped the economic system?
Right...that's my point.

Economic law has destroyed countless cultures; by brute force alone it has dictated nearly all violent behavioral changes in societal structures. It prevents indigenous people from sharing and helping each other in a fluent way and creates survival based divides between what would be well communicated allies.
I don't agree with this, but I don't see what it has to do with what I was talking about anyway.

Individualizing survival goals is the most destructive way to lead human interaction. Even worse is the forcing of survival goals to compete.
I don't even know what this means. Survival is the goal of every organism. You don't need money for that. If anything, money, as opposed to barter, as a medium of exchange, has allowed for the emergence of the large-scale society we see today and all the perks that come with it including the lessened need for wilderness survival skills. We do have to work to survive in other ways, though. But I don't want to open up a whole new debate so I'll stop there.

Again, I'm not saying the money system is perfect. I realize it has its flaws. I just disagree about the severity of them and what to do about them. You do realize the trend has been towards equality and peace, right?[1][2] It's not like things are getting worse and worse and that something needs to be done about it before it's too late. Things are generally getting better, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't still be striving for equality and peace. That's why I'm here. I just think we need to get our facts straight before we proceed.

Why was this thread moved to the miscellaneous forum? Shouldn't it be in the Using This Website forum?

domokato wrote:
Earthgaia wrote:
domokato wrote:
Hmmm...then why does everyone seem to think a societal collapse is inevitable and that an RBE will work smoothly despite it being so radically different from anything humanity has ever tried at that scale?

Please name a time in history were humanity dumped the economic system?
Right...that's my point.
Well I misread that post. As far as the collapse goes.... all the foreclosures and bankrupt-rioting nations should be a sign of it being in full swing. And the degree of smoothness is in direct correlation to our effect, communication and organization.



domokato wrote:
You do realize the trend has been towards equality and peace, right?
domokato wrote:
Things are generally getting better, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't still be striving for equality and peace.
Well it depends if you equate the removal of the monetary system as a necessity and a natural step of progression.

The global financial monopoly is being fought by advances in communication so I guess corruption is getting harder to achieve. But that really doesn't direct us in any meaningful way because there is still profit gained from ignorance.


domokato wrote:

Earthgaia wrote:
Economic law has destroyed countless cultures; by brute force alone it has dictated nearly all violent behavioral changes in societal structures. It prevents indigenous people from sharing and helping each other in a fluent way and creates survival based divides between what would be well communicated allies.
I don't agree with this, but I don't see what it has to do with what I was talking about anyway.
You don't agree that the English or similar were monetarily incentivised to destroy many non-monetary cultures globally or?
Please explain what exactly you don't agree with as you seem to be conflicting with the basics of behavioral interaction.


Your words have a rim of truth wrought with malicious intention. It seems.

Earthgaia wrote:
domokato wrote:
You do realize the trend has been towards equality and peace, right?
domokato wrote:
Things are generally getting better, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't still be striving for equality and peace.
Well it depends if you equate the removal of the monetary system as a necessity and a natural step of progression.
I think it may happen, but it would be in the medium-distant future, after technology has advanced to the point of creating incredible transparency, deep interdependency, and thus trust, all of which I think are required for a functioning RBE. There are other things that we can work towards right now that will help create more equality, and I think we would do well to focus on those things.

The global financial monopoly is being fought by advances in communication so I guess corruption is getting harder to achieve. But that really doesn't direct us in any meaningful way because there is still profit gained from ignorance.
Yes, but the ability to derive profit from ignorance is getting harder and harder over time due to the decrease in ignorance caused by increasing information flow and thus transparency.

domokato wrote:

Earthgaia wrote:
Economic law has destroyed countless cultures; by brute force alone it has dictated nearly all violent behavioral changes in societal structures. It prevents indigenous people from sharing and helping each other in a fluent way and creates survival based divides between what would be well communicated allies.
I don't agree with this, but I don't see what it has to do with what I was talking about anyway.
You don't agree that the English or similar were monetarily incentivised to destroy many non-monetary cultures globally or?
Please explain what exactly you don't agree with as you seem to be conflicting with the basics of behavioral interaction.
Oh, that's what you're talking about. Well, the English wanted their resources and land, which wouldn't change even if they (the English) were somehow not using money. And I'm not blaming the natives, but if they were using money and had developed their society further they might have been able to stand up to them. And don't think for a moment that lack of money made tribal life less violent than civilized life (see link [2] in my last post). The "noble savage" is an old myth.

Your words have a rim of truth wrought with malicious intention. It seems.
I have no malicious intent. My intent is to promote rationality and science, and to find and share facts, whether they contradict the movement or not.

VenusFreedom777 wrote:
Moving toward an RBE is no small step for humanity, it is serious business and people must comprehend the basic tenants of this movement and have an understanding of what is really being proposed here, before getting on the forums- the only way to do that, is to have seen Addendum, you should watch it on a regular basis actually,...(emphasis mine)

I just wanted to go back and point out how incredibly cultish this last statement stuck me as. (I hope I don't need to explain why).

No, I have no idea. I really don't see it as cultish, to watch it once in a while to get a fresh perspective and be ready to educate others.