domokato wrote:
VenusFreedom777 wrote:
Moving toward an RBE is no small step for humanity, it is serious business and people must comprehend the basic tenants of this movement and have an understanding of what is really being proposed here, before getting on the forums- the only way to do that, is to have seen Addendum, you should watch it on a regular basis actually,...(emphasis mine)

I just wanted to go back and point out how incredibly cultish this last statement stuck me as. (I hope I don't need to explain why).

No, I've willingly watched it on a regular basis mostly to show people but partly to absorb the points it makes. All of Peter's material is the most healthy thinking you could possibly involve yourself in, it's good for you.

I wanna write more on this thread but I'm struggling for time.

domokato wrote:
VenusFreedom777 wrote:
Moving toward an RBE is no small step for humanity, it is serious business and people must comprehend the basic tenants of this movement and have an understanding of what is really being proposed here, before getting on the forums- the only way to do that, is to have seen Addendum, you should watch it on a regular basis actually,...(emphasis mine)

I just wanted to go back and point out how incredibly cultish this last statement stuck me as. (I hope I don't need to explain why).

I know what both of you are getting at.

I think the orientation guide and the where are we lectures are much more suitable to watch again. It all seems to make common sense to me. The direction we must take becomes self-evident.

I borrow this phrase because it is true. If you think this sounds cult-like, say why.

"I think the orientation guide and the where are we now lectures are much more suitable to watch again. It all seems to make common sense to me. The direction we must take becomes self-evident."
Isn't that probably because you are at the level of understanding you are now?
It's all a process of learning, those that have seen all the videos that have come out after Addendum know and understand it all much better. That's why I am being such a pain in the proverbial about remembering how it was when WE were newbies. I mean, Peter, at the start of "Where are we now" says quite plainly that an email was sent out to the people in the audience for them to read the guide (and see Addendum too I think, not 100% sure on that...) so that they would understand the lecture better. We can't expect people to understand algebra before they learned 2+2=4.
lol.
Sheesh, I know you all aren't going to like what I say next, but sometimes I really wish more women posted on the forums.

Like you, I thought the test might put people off joining up, but it's here now so we must rely on those 'newbies' (not keen on the phrase)who want to post on the forums showing the necessary effort to get there.

The level of understanding I am at came directly from watching the orientation guide, which is more important than addendum I think. All I am saying is that you need to watch it(the guide) before you start asking questions on the forum because most of the answers can be found in that presentation. If you are really interested in the movement, you will do this A.S.A.P.

Either this, or join the closest regional chapter and talk to other new members in your own language. All dvds handed out to people in the street should have a local chapter email address or chapter website on them.

Vixi wrote:
[i]"Sheesh, I know you all aren't going to like what I say next, but sometimes I really wish more women posted on the forums.


Not being cheeky but,What does this have to do with it?

> All of Peter's material is the most healthy thinking you could possibly involve
> yourself in, it's good for you.

FX [ shudder ]


On the other hand..

As Peter made money by trading in what was it now, the money markets, perhaps he can provide a helpful guide on how we can make money too from using money!

Or is that a little secret he wants to keep to himself..

I guess people have their own way of learning. I just felt a self motivation to want to watch and read hours upon hours of material, it never felt like a chore at all...
Also theres some really valuable information in Peter's radio shows, I would recommend to the "newbies" to go and download the previous ones because theres some really good stuff there.

I was never much of a forum poster just a creepy observer, so I guess that helped me somewhat. Just like in science we should withold judgement until there's sufficient evidence, what I mean by that is theres really no reason for someone who just watched Addendum to come to the forum and make a thread called "Zeitgeist = Communism". They should at least want to learn a little bit more before judging it straight away, but sometimes those knee-jerk reactions are just too strong. The test forces the new members who might have a knee-jerk reaction and come in the forum to troll to actually take some time to know what were about. Don't get me wrong I do remember what it was like to first see this information and I sympathize with others who just had their world view blown apart. I dunno maybe one day there could be a Beginners Forum that doesn't require a test but you will still need to pass a test to post in the advanced forum. I think if enough people e-mail Peter about it with genuine reasons for why its needed then maybe it could happen.

All I want to say to the "newbies" is at least read the FAQ dammit!

Nanos wrote:
> All of Peter's material is the most healthy thinking you could possibly involve
> yourself in, it's good for you.

FX [ shudder ]


On the other hand..

As Peter made money by trading in what was it now, the money markets, perhaps he can provide a helpful guide on how we can make money too from using money!

Or is that a little secret he wants to keep to himself..

Wow Nanos what has making money got to do with this thread...

Peter has said he left that line of work because he realised how pointless it was and how it contributed nothing to society. I guess you want him to make a presentation on how to get into advertising and video editing too huh.

@ Madz3000

Yea I agree with reading the FAQ. Maybe this could be the way to unlock the forum to new members rather than a test.

Just like you, the majority of members don't even post anything anyway. The Irish chapter site must have a few hundred that havn't even introduced themselves never mind asked questions.

I suppose it depends on what people are comfortable with, especially when coming to terms with the bombshell of information contained in the zeitgeist movies.

> left that line of work because he realised how pointless it was and how it
> contributed nothing to society

Thats great, but..

Its easier to do that after you've made some money, live comfortably and can afford to do so.

But its like saying, don't do as I do, do as I say.

Or, I'm alright Jack, but you shouldn't benefit from the riches I obtained, I'm going to save you from yourself..

Which is fine, if, and only if it wasn't kinda important that we avoid being homeless and penniless.

Its a kind of Ivory tower response that doesn't gell well with folk.

Instead one should say you reconise the pointlessness of such work in the grand scheme of things, but using what you know of the subject, your going to help people earn money and get away from the need to do so as quickly and effiently as possible.

It would like telling someone whose dealing drugs to make ends meet, let me show you how to sell at maximun profit so you can retire sooner rather than later. Rather than its a bad thing your doing, stop it and ruin your life even more so!

It reminds me of religious folk who give up everything, yet live in a comfortable church, as if we could all do that.. and then preach to us about the evils of want, refusing to help us apart from spiritally.

Vixi has a very valid point about the process of learning - it takes time. You can't just give people to read something and then expect them to have absorbed all the information. It just takes time. Your first reaction may be to build cities, communes, etc. It's normal. Then you absorb more, build a tower of knowledge, so to say, and come to a new level of understanding. Suddenly you realize it's about social therapy, not communes.

These points, to me, show that an entire strategy is needed for this. I mean, how do we explain to people why the test is needed in a way that we don't turn them off? How do we create an interest in them to read and watch the materials (perhaps in a certain order)? We can't just say: "here, read and you'll understand". This is no way to teach people.

Our whole approach is fully out of line with the psychological process of learning. And it shouldn't surprise nobody that the output produced by this "Zeitgeist academy" would be exactly like the output produced by our current educational system. This is because schools have no approcah, no methods, no psychological understanding about learning.

It doesn't have to be like this. This is why there are teams. So, why not create a team that can work out the entire strategy - questions, sequence of the materials, etc? Instead of turning people off, we can (like a good teacher) make them love the subject (zeitgeistology? lol).