I think you are overreacting.

Fox wrote:
I think a cheat sheet is a very logical, smart and efficient thing to do.... Just the kind of people we need .

You're post is the opposite of logical, smart and efficient. Those people on conspiracyscience can't even pass the test using a cheat sheet lol. I got 19/20 first time and I didn't even have to take it anyway. I looked at their "cheat sheet" and they actually got alot of the answers cleary wrong, which just shows they don't know anything about this movement. All their knowledge of TZM is based on presupposed notions and irrational misconceptions. What also worries me is that they are saying Zeitgeist Movement members are telling them answers on IRC to help them ammend their cheat sheet. That shows they just want to get on the forums to troll or whatever they do because cheating the test isn't going to teach you anything about this movement.

People like that jump on the fact that we now have this test because they can use that as supposed "evidence" of elitism or whatever disinformation they want to spread. As I said before I think the test is a good idea and still has room for improvement and maybe we can have a beginner forum or section of the forum for beginners. However you will still be required to pass the test to post in the advanced forum. The test does not exlude people, they can still post in chapter forums and talk in Teamspeak and all the other outlets. You don't need to type out a message in a forum to get involved in TZM....you can go out and spread the information on the streets and hand out flyers and DVDs. There are many ways to get involved.

This thread has turned out to be nothing but battle of egos, insults and mud-slinging. Does anyone even see that the material that contains the answers to these questions ARE PROVIDED ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE TEST??!?! And how come no-one even considers LOWERING THE DAMN PASS MARK TO LIKE 15!! Don't get me wrong I tried the test and failed several times b4 I barely passed with an 18/20. People who are b*tching about an open book test should not even be going to school. We still live in TMS, and to get anything done we will have to function to a certain extent within the confines of TMS (meaning moderation and tests, and using the education system etc).

I think TZM needs to advocate one more thing: taming one's ego and mind. This can be done through meditation to allow concentration and minimizing knee-jerk reactions and exposure to many different things in life.

The test is here to stay. Don't like it? You either propose a better way of filtering trolls and ensuring time is not wasted on repetitive posts whose answers can be found on TZM reading material OR ways the test could be improved to minimize potential productive members from being turned off while maintaining a barrier against trolls OR TAKE A HIKE. No-one here wants to hear your excessive whining. Btw I'm saying this to people who say test is bad bad bad. And yes this test has done a fine job of pissing off conspiracyscience trolls.

My next suggestion: change/rewording of questions every month or week, combined with rewording/rotation of answers. If my idea is implemented, then GL to the trolls to make a cheat sheet and enjoy wasting their lives.

madz3000 wrote:
I looked at their "cheat sheet" and they actually got alot of the answers cleary wrong, which just shows they don't know anything about this movement. All their knowledge of TZM is based on presupposed notions and irrational misconceptions.

To be fair, the people at CS don't claim to know much about TZM. Understanding TZM and TVP, however, are not integral when critiquing the conspiracies mentioned in the movies, which is what conspiracyscience.com is all about. They are there to debunk conspiracies, not movements.

The "cheat sheet," as you call it, is documentation from reviewing the materials. It catalogs the questions in an effort to show TZM members the correct answers. I personally scored a 19 on one try; on my second, I scored a 13. I would like to know which questions I got wrong. Without documentation of the questions' answers, I would never know. As many TZM members have said, the test has many debatable questions that are not clear even after reading the material. Without the "cheat sheet," members would finally pass and never understand why their "incorrect" answers were wrong because they'd never know which questions they answered incorrectly.

"o be fair, the people at CS don't claim to know much about TZM. Understanding TZM and TVP, however, are not integral when critiquing the conspiracies mentioned in the movies, which is what conspiracyscience.com is all about. They are there to debunk conspiracies, not movements."

Yeah, but that's why all of you say that you were exmembers and were here "since the beginning", by saying that you try to reinforce your false accusations, but still fail miserably.

Don't you people at the CS don't have anything better to do? It's really funny how on one hand you say that TZM is just another movement out of many that come and go but then you're determined to spend so much time, not pointing out your feelings about the Movement, not constructivly criticising, but plain trolling. You guys are just a reflection of how sick our society has become.

Croatdude wrote:

Yeah, but that's why all of you say that you were exmembers and were here "since the beginning", by saying that you try to reinforce your false accusations, but still fail miserably.


Hyperbole


Don't you people at the CS don't have anything better to do? It's really funny how on one hand you say that TZM is just another movement out of many that come and go but then you're determined to spend so much time, not pointing out your feelings about the Movement, not constructivly criticising, but plain trolling. You guys are just a reflection of how sick our society has become.

People at CS don't think alike and cannot be considered a group, team, or organization. My beliefs do not line up with the majority of the members there. I am interested in TVP and am here to discuss it.

This thread has run its course and is only attracting more trolls. LOCKED
The idea of a "cheat sheet" is against the purpose and any members pursuing/publishing such a thing are in violation of the rules, showing contempt for the basic processes of the forum.

Also - New Qs will be constantly added until there are 100s of them so the trolls can work all they want. The Qs will always change. Knowing the answers after you fail is not the point. It isn't about learning/agreeing - it is about proving you read the materials.

Croatdude wrote:
"o be fair, the people at CS don't claim to know much about TZM. Understanding TZM and TVP, however, are not integral when critiquing the conspiracies mentioned in the movies, which is what conspiracyscience.com is all about. They are there to debunk conspiracies, not movements."

Yeah, but that's why all of you say that you were exmembers and were here "since the beginning", by saying that you try to reinforce your false accusations, but still fail miserably.

Don't you people at the CS don't have anything better to do? It's really funny how on one hand you say that TZM is just another movement out of many that come and go but then you're determined to spend so much time, not pointing out your feelings about the Movement, not constructivly criticising, but plain trolling. You guys are just a reflection of how sick our society has become.

Yes. They are just trolling. There is one guy there named Matt who that is all he does. I have had to explain this to a lot of people when they don't want us to ban people. There is an entire subculture on the internet who practice trolling like it is a game or sport. CS is an example of a community group that gets together and does this and then compares notes on their tactics. They get a kick out of insulting people from the safety of their keyboards. It's really not much more complicated then that. It's the same instinct that gets the "popular" kids to pick on the "unpopular" kids in school. They set up their own "in crowd" and stroke each other's egos to be part of it. That sort of nonsense is something I have put up with for years in various crowds, and they prey on "freedom" movements because there are so many people who value free speech that they can take advantage of that.

These are the same personalities who in online games like WoW are called "griefers". People who literally enjoy ruining the fun of other people on the internet.

When you see them there is no changing them. They prey on people's attempts to "fix" them and know how to kiss the right asses and then who they can get away with going after. They marvel at their ability to turn members of a given community on each other. They divide and conquer the moderators, and intentionally attack them when no one else is around to force the moderator to ban them so they can then claim to be victims of abuse. This causes the other moderators to turn on them.

At the end of the day, it kind of reminds me of Ripley in the movie "Aliens".

"Lets nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure..."

Or her comments in the last Aliens movie about how they can't make pets out of the creatures.

And just like in that movie the more people play with them the more they infect a given community and if you let them they run it shortly afterward.